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Re: Papl Mandate 1329
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Thank you for your politically correct comments I do not fully understand
the American politically correct. The Lordship of Keswick comes from a time
when the English bribed Scots with English titles for compliance in their
brutal conquest of our Ancient Kingdom. After Culloden Moor the English set
about buying Scottish acceptance with lands and titles. They destroyed the
Highland way of life. Billy the Butcher, The Duke of Cumberland created a
desert and called it peace. Our clan was the only family not transported
during the clearances. One third of the Scots population was sent to
America, Canada and the West Indies. In Trinidad the old sugar plantation
was called St Clair and today is the prime residential area of Port of
Spain. As a result of the loss at Culloden the only colony that the Kingdom
of Scotland had, Darien in Panama, failed.
Our clan in strong in France, only a Sinclair (en francais St Clair) could
guard the King of France and to the time of the Normans nine St Clair
Knights came with William to battle Harold for the Kingdom of England.
In the French town of St Clair in the Normandy and near Caen there are
memorials to the Telmpers and to our family. We are members of the worlds
oldest continuous family and some say we are the descendants of Jesus Christ
-----Original Message-----
From: Ramsey, Darwin <RamseyD@dot.state.sc.us>
To: 'sinclair@zilker.net' <sinclair@zilker.net>
Date: 30 October 1998 20:12
Subject: RE: Papl Mandate 1329
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>
>People, take it from an anthropologist, get a grip! Lighten up! :) We
>have many other ties to the Muslims that this one instance (i.e. the heart
>of Bruce incident). If one will take the time to read anything on the
>Templars it becomes obvious that the Sinclairs have spent a great deal of
>time working, living, and playing with the Islamic people of Jerusalem. In
>fact, that is one of the main points that got them in trouble with the
Pope.
>They got along well with the Muslims and the other Christian leaders at the
>time thought it was bad form since they were supposed to be taking
Jerusalem
>from the Infidels.
>
>Just for the record, as a politically correct, sensitivity-trained
>professional, I did not interpret Sinclair, Lord of Keswick's comment as
>racist.
>
>However, just exactly what is his/your name? This title thing is intirely
>to impersonal for this Yankee! A joke, just a joke...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sinclair, Lord of Keswick [SMTP:xhr19@dial.pipex.com]
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 2:04 PM
>> To: sinclair@zilker.net
>> Subject: Re: Papl Mandate 1329
>>
>> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@zilker.net.
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>>
>> Alhumdulillah
>>
>> Take the chip off your shoulder I still find it amusing. Sinclair is an
>> extremely Christian name< Some say the blood of the greatest Prophet
>> before
>> Mohammed flows in our veins.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kristin A. Hussein <krisawni@internet-zahav.net>
>> To: sinclair@zilker.net <sinclair@zilker.net>
>> Date: 30 October 1998 17:38
>> Subject: Re: Papl Mandate 1329
>>
>>
>> >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@zilker.net.
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>> >-------
>> >
>> >To: Sinclair, Lord of Keswick
>> >
>> >Why should it be so amusing to know that Tariq Aziz is, in fact, a
>> >Christian? Many Arabs are Christians, as it happens. Perhaps if more
>> >people in the west realized this, they would be less likely to be so
>> >anti-arab. That said, religion is no basis on which to judge whether or
>> >not a person is good, bad, moral or immoral, clever or stupid .
>> >Unfortunately, regardless of the fact that both Christianity and Islam
>> >preach tolerance of those different than themselves (Islam, in fact,
>> >preaches that Muslims should be tolerant of those of ALL faiths and
>> >itself incorporates much of Christianity and Judaism into it's tenants.)
>> >these two seem to be always at odds with each other. Christians dislike
>> >Muslims and Muslims return that dislike, both without even knowing very
>> >much about the other. Knowledge is the key. If we all would simply take
>> >the time to learn more about each other, I think we would find that we
>> >all have a good deal in COMMON, in addition to those things that make us
>> >different. Just take this Sinclair mailing list for example. All of us
>> >who participate come from different walks of life in different parts of
>> >the globe and yet we all have at least one thing in common - our
>> >Sinclair ancestry - which makes many of us related in one way or
>> >another. Let's look for the things that we have in common, the things
>> >that we can share and that will bring us together - not the things that
>> >make us different and pull us apart.
>> >
>> >Kristin Alynn Hussein
>> >(mother: Linda Irene Sinclair, grandfather: John Ward Sinclair II, g
>> >grandfather: John Ward Sinclair I, gg grandfather: Robert Sinclair,
>> >etc., etc. etc.......)
>> >
>> >
>> >.*************************
>> >Sinclair, Lord of Keswick wrote:
>> >
>> >> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@zilker.net.
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>> >>
>> >> John Sinclair Q
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for the correction I do appreciate it. Tarik is a very
>> >> Arabic
>> >> name it amuses me that Tarik Assize deputy PM of Iraq is in fact
>> >> Christian.
>> >>
>> >> Sinclair
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: John S. Quarterman <jsq@mids.org>
>> >> To: sinclair@zilker.net <sinclair@zilker.net>
>> >> Date: 29 October 1998 17:11
>> >> Subject: Re: Papl Mandate 1329
>> >>
>> >> >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@zilker.net.
>> >> >[ For more information, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
>> >> >-------
>> >> >
>> >> >>The moors more properly the Moors refer to Muslims from North Africa
>> >>
>> >> Othello
>> >> >>and Ben Yusiff are two Moorish names. Gibraltar was named after a
>> >> Moor
>> >> "Gib
>> >> >>the Tar"
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, Gibraltar is short for Gebel Tarik, Mountain of Tarik.
>> >> >
>> >> >The fight in which our ancestor Sir William was killed took place
>> >> >in Spain. They were on their way to the Holy Land to bury Bruce's
>> >> >heart, as he had requested. They couldn't refuse a request by a
>> >> >Christian Spanish ruler to fight the Moors. The Moors thought
>> >> >them so chivalrous that the Moors returned the heart and the bodies,
>> >> >or at least that's what one version says.
>> >> >
>> >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>From: Jean Haddow <jean@hadpad.demon.co.uk>
>> >> >>To: sinclair@zilker.net <sinclair@zilker.net>
>> >> >>Date: 28 October 1998 01:27
>> >> >>Subject: Re: Papl Mandate 1329
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@zilker.net.
>> >>
>> >> >>>[ For more information, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
>> >> >>>-------
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>In message <11194778198970@domain1.bigpond.com>, Mark Bradshaw
>> >> >>><M.J.B@bigpond.com> writes
>> >> >>>>[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list,
>> >> sinclair@zilker.net.
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>> >>
>> >> >>>>-------
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Hi Laurel
>> >> >>>>Here is some more info for you cannot remember what I have already
>> >> sent.
>> >> >>>>The moors
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I don't understand the reference to "the moors". As a Scot, living
>> >> in
>> >> >>>Scotland, and a Caithness Sinclair, and peripheral to the debate,
>> >> I'd
>> >> >>>be glad of a more precise definition.
>> >> >>>> when they saw the Scots scattered from each other in the chase,
>> >> >>>>suddenly turned back and surrounded Sir William St.Clair. Douglas
>> >> with
>> >> Sir
>> >> >>>>Robert Logan and Sir Walter logan galloped to the rescue, but
>> >> finding
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>enemy pressing round in increasing numbers and with no chance of
>> >> escape,
>> >> >>>>Douglas took Bruces heart from his neck, round which encased in a
>> >> silver
>> >> >>>>casket and chain which he wore he threw it toward the enemy saying
>> >> "
>> >> pass
>> >> >>>>first in fight as thou won't, Douglas will follow thee or die " He
>> >> then
>> >> >>>>dashed forward cutting his way through the enemy, but the odds
>> >> were to
>> >> >>>>great and he and two Logan Knights, Sir William St.Clair and his
>> >> brother
>> >> >>>>John were slain. Douglas body was found lying over Bruces heart.
>> >> His
>> >> >>>>followers brought it back to Scotland to which they sorrowfully
>> >> returned.
>> >> >>>>The King's heart was buried in Melrose Abbey.
>> >> >>>>Now in 1996 a silver casket was found during excavation in Melrose
>> >> Abbey
>> >> >>>>believed to contain Bruces heart. I see you found the same story,
>> >> >>>>interesting stuff if you ask me.
>> >> >>>>Mark :-)
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>> >> >>>--
>> >> >>>Jean Haddow
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