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Gail, I would like for you to email me list #1 at my dgiff245@juno.com.
Thank you.
.........................................................................
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....................., 04 Nov 1998 19:23:17 -0500 Gail and Lou
<lfghm@ibm.net> writes:
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>
>Hi All:  Below is the compilation of the latest e-mails regarding
>information about "Johns, Josephs, and Duncans" (October 11, 1998 -
>November 4, 1998).    If anyone needs List # 1, let me know and I 
>will
>e-mail it to you. Happy hunting!    Gail
>
>*****************
>Subject:
>          Sinclairs of Exeter
>     Date:
>          Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:24:13 -1000
>     From:
>          "kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com>
>
>Here are a couple of facts about John T. Sinclair and his son , John
>Albert
>of Exeter some may find interesteing. They both enlisted in the 15th 
>NH
>Volunteer Infantry , Co. I in the fall of 1862. John T. would be
>discharged
>disabled  in Feb. 1863 , while John Albert would serve out his
>enlistment.
>The 15th was a 9 month regiment and would take part in the siege of 
>Port
>
>Hudson in the summer of 1863.
> After his discharge , John Albert would enlist in the navy in 1864 ,
>serving on 4 ships as a coal hauler until the end of the war.
> A Lewis W. Sinclair of Brentwood is listed in Co. E  and dying July 
>25
>'63
>in Port Hudson.
>For those interested in NH units in the Revolution , including those
>mentoined by Morrison , try Richard Ketchum's "Saratoga-Turning Point 
>in
>
>America's Revolutionary War"
>               Kevin Riley
>*************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: John, Joseph and Duncan
>     Date:
>          Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:51:37 -0400
>     From:
>          Juli Anderson-Kalwa <juli.andersonkalwa@mci2000.com>
>
>Here is an update on a few of the many John's and Duncan's I have in 
>my
>family tree:
>
>I found the John Sinclair (b 1833) I was searching for in Barbreak, 
>Loch
>
>Awe, Glenorchy & Inishail.  His birth was not registered but found 
>his
>marriage certificate, 1898 obit and so far on the 1841, 1851 and 1881
>censuses.  John married Christina McIntyre (not registered either but
>born
>1834 to Duncan McIntyre and Christina Cameron).
>
>John's parents were Alexander Sinclair and Janet McLachlan (m 17 Dec
>1832
>Kilchrenan & Dalavich and 18 Dec 1832 Glenorchy & Inishail).
>Alexander's
>parents were John (yes another one) Sinclair and Flory Campbell (m 
>circa
>
>1785 Kilchrenan & Dalavich).
>
>John Sinclair and Flory Campbell had at least 5 children:
>
>Gilbert c 27 Jul 1786 Kilchrenan & Dalavich
>Marion c 5 Nov 1787 Kilchrenan & Dalavich
>Archibald c 26 Dec 1789 Kilchrenan & Dalavich
>Gilbert (?) c Jun 1798 Glenorchy & Inishail
>Alexander c 6 Nov 1898 Glenorchy & Inishail
>
>Alexander Sinclair and Janet McLachlan had 7 children:
>
>John Sinclair b circa 1833 Barbreck, Inishail
>Mary Sinclair b 26 Feb 1837 Barbreck, Inishail
>Flory Sinclair b 26 Mar 1839 Barbreck, Inishail
>Donald Sinclair b circa 1842 Barbreck, Inishail
>Gilbert Sinclair b circa 1844 Barbreck, Inishail
>Ann Sinclair b circa 1847 Barbreck, Inishail
>Dugald Sinclair b circa 1849 Barbreck, Inishail
>
>John Sinclair married Christina McIntyre 1 Jun 1855 Milton Glasgow.
>They
>had 4 children:
>
>Alexander Sinclair
>Christina Sinclair
>John Sinclair b 30 Apr 1860 - (passed away young or left SCT prior to
>1881??)
>Jessie Sinclair
>Also trying to locate info on Archibald Sinclair (born?) who married
>Isobella Campbell (born?)
>20 Dec 1821 in Inveraray. Used Scots Origin to order MC.  They had 
>five
>children:
>
> John b 13 Oct 1822 Inveraray    d 22 Nov 1891 Dunoon
>Christine b 16 Dec 1824 Inveraray
>Donald b 17 Apl 1827 Inveraray
>Archibald b 27 Oct 1829 Inveraray   d 2 Jun 1912 Dunoon
>Duncan b 27 Oct 1831 Inveraray
>
>According to Archibald jrs marriage cert in 1857 and 1841 census the
>family
>were tenants of Duke of Argyll at Auchindrain.
>
>*********************
>Subject:
>          Re: Origins of Duncan A. Sinclair
>     Date:
>          Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:35:21 EDT
>     From:
>          PattiJ7@aol.com
>
>I also have a John Sinclair born abt.1753 in Virginia, died abt.1823 
>in
>Missouri, son of Charles Sinclair (1717-1766) married to Ann ?
>(abt.1720-1789).  John married Rebecca Pruitt born abt.1760 in 
>Missouri
>or
>Arkansas Territory. Her parents were William Pruitt and Mary Martin.
>
>My direct link to this John is his son Charles Sinclair born abt.1785 
>in
>we
>think South Carolina, died after 1850 in Texas. He married Mary 
>(Polly)
>Havens on Aug. 6, 1801 Knox, TN.
>
>They moved to Illinois, then on to Missouri area from the south then
>later
>migrated down into Arkansas Territory near VanBuren/Ft.Smith area. 
>Later
>
>family moved on to east Texas. My direct link NAOMI SINCLAIR was born
>about
>1809 in TN or Illinois. She died after 1859 in Franklin, TX, she 
>married
>
>Henry Nidever.
>
>Naomi had a sister named Rebecca Sinclair born abt.1804 in TN and 
>died
>Nov.19, 1882 in Bell, Texas she was married to Marshall Crawford.
>
>There were other siblings of Charles and Mary Havens Sinclair that 
>went
>to
>Texas I have their names and some dates proven.
>
>********************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: John, Joseph and Duncan
>     Date:
>          Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:25:47 +0200
>     From:
>          "Roland + Shirley Bowers" <bowersrg@mweb.co.za>
>
>Do you have any further information Johns?  I am trying to locate a 
>John
>Arthur
>Sinclair who was born on 1 November 1917 in Scotland (region 
>unknown).
>Any
>information would be most welcome as I have reached a dead-end.
>
>*********************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: John, Joseph and Duncan
>     Date:
>          Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:09:22 EDT
>     From:
>          MSiperek@aol.com
>
>More Johns
>    From South Ronaldsay Orkneys 1821 Census:
>    JOHN age 45,wife BELL-  from Berston
>    JOHN age 10, same household as above
>    JOHN, age 2, Kirk
>
>>From tombstones in Orkneys:
>    JOHN, born 1840, died age 73
>     JOHN, wife Marjorie Carmichael died Dec 7/1676 aged 87
>
> *******************
>
>Subject:
>             Sarah Sinclair[St Clair] Highland Co, Ohio
>        Date:
>             Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:18:22 -0500
>       From:
>             "Robert J. Stevens" <snevets@execpc.com>
>
>I found a Sarah Sinclair on the 1830 Highland Co., Ohio Census Index 
>and
>
>just received from the Southern Ohio Genealogical Society the 
>following
>response to my query about Sarah. """According to McBrides Common 
>Please
>
>Court Records of Highland Co. One Sarah Sinclair made an Indenture 
>for
>John W. Sinclair aged 16 bound to George Tucker as a tailor's 
>apprentice
>
>for five years."""" Jean Could this Sarah Sinclair be the Sarah St 
>Clair
>
>that was in Ross Co 1810-1823. Refering to Family #37.[The family we
>have researched documents a John St. Clair who married Sarah 
>(Mershon)
>in Kentucky.  They were in Ross County, Ohio 1817-1823.  Then Sarah, 
>the
>
>widow moved to Highland County.].
>
>******************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: John, Joseph and Duncan
>     Date:
>          Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:42:39 -0400
>     From:
>          "Barb Groth" <barb@eznet.net>
>
>I live in the Barre/Albion New York area and am in the line of John
>Sinkler
>from Exeter, NH.  As far as I know the St Clairs in the Albion area 
>are
>in
>my line. My line was: John of Exeter; James; Joseph; and Thomas.
>Thomas'
>son James went to Barre NY, Orleans Co. and then moved North 7 miles 
>to
>Albion sometime in the early 1800's.  James was the brother of my
>decendant
>Benjamin.    Benjamins' sons Enoch and Asa went to Sacketts Harbor in
>1811 and then
>on to Concord, Erie County, NY and lived there until 1845 where Enoch
>then
>moved on to Ilinois and finally Iowa.    I believe that the 
>Sinclairs/St
>Clairs from the Albion area were only from that line, and as of now I 
>am
>the only Sinclair in the Albion area.
>
>*********************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: Dunoon Sinclair's
>     Date:
>          Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:33:28 -0600
>     From:
>          "Matheson" <zoo@uswest.net>
>
>Re: Sinclairs in Dunoon & Kilmun parish, Neil Sinclair (Canada) has
>ancestors who emigrated from Glendaruel in
>Argyll County to PEI.  I've been poking around, trying to connect my
>Duncan Sinclair (b. 1781-2 in Scotland).  A
>high proportion of those Scots living in North Carolina came from 
>Argyll
>County.  I've noticed that many, many
>Sinclairs from Glenorchy & Inishail parish moved south to Dunoon &
>Kilmun parish.  Dunoon is just across from
>the port of Greenock, and it appears that many in that area made 
>their
>living on/from the sea.  I personally have
>only looked at records pre-1800.
>
>The Scottish parish registers (christenings and marriages) are 
>available
>on computer through the LDS Church at
>their local family history branches.  Check your phone book under 
>"The
>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
>Saints."  If they don't have a listing for a family history center, 
>just
>start calling numbers and ASK!  To be sure to
>get someone, call on a Sunday between 8 am and 4-5 pm.  Their centers
>are open free to the public.  Even if you're
>not in the United States, you should still check your phone book!!!
>
>***********************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: Attn: Marilyn Siperek
>     Date:
>          Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:11:38 +0100
>     From:
>          "James Sinclair" <Jamie.Sinclair@btinternet.com>
>
>I have just joined the mailing list and wondered if anyone out there 
>had
>
>any
>information about my families history. My name is James Sinclair, My
>father
>is Donald Alexander Sinclair born in Kirbister, Stromness Orkney, and
>his
>father was Peter Sinclair, born on Scapa Orkney !  I have traced a 
>few
>levels back, but dont have the information with me (I am in London
>working
>for a year), I think Peters father was John Sinclair. Any help would 
>be
>great thanks !
>
>*******************
>
>Subject:
>          Johns
>     Date:
>          Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:42:45 +0900
>     From:
>          "Cathy Fulton" <Cathyscatz@bigfoot.com>
>
>Is it too late to get in on information for John Sinclair...
>
>[NOTE: Cathy, I paraphrased your email...have not rec'd your info on
>"John", but to you and all, please submit those Johns, Josephs and
>Duncans.  It does yield information that helps many!
>I'll compile again in two weeks, November 17th.  Gail Mottola]
>
>**************************
>
>Subject:
>            Re: Johns
>       Date:
>            Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:16:59 -0400
>      From:
>            "J Sinclair" <js@shaw.wave.ca>
>
>To what extent is the "John Sinclair" one name collection 
>encompassing?
>eg....from: John Sinclair's son christened 14Mar1654 in CAI, Canisbay 
>?
>  and/or....who they married .... ?
>    or/and ...their progeny (in the old country) ?
>Am willing to contribute to the collector of such data if 'Time Span'
>and Shire/Parish are within Scotland's domain.
>
>NOTE: Absolutely, contribute whatever you can! Thanks!
>*****************
>Subject:
>            Re: Johns
>       Date:
>            Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:56:40 -0400
>      From:
>            "J Sinclair" <js@shaw.wave.ca>
>
>Hi Marilyn of Western NY....
>>From a quick scan of the Orkney, South Ronaldsay, OPRs I noted the
>following: -
>      Your James & Barbara Groat who m 04 Jan 1816
>    had James c 14 Sep 1821 in South Ronalsay
>    ....time passes... (I don't have all Orkney OPRs)
>    also Alexander c 03 Jan 1830 in South Ronaldsay
>
>As FYI.....
> 1. A John Sinclair who m a Jean Groat
>       had a daughter Margaret c 1789 in Orkney, Walls and Fotta
>    also had a daughter Janet c 04 July 1793 in Orkney, South 
>Ronaldsay
>
> 2. A John Sinclair and Elizabeth Groat of Orkney, South Ronaldsay
>       had son James c 18 June 1854 there.
>
> .........John Sinclair
>*********************
>
>Subject:
>          Attn: Robert Stevens Re: Sarah Sinclair(St. Clair), 
>Highland
>Co., Ohio
>     Date:
>          Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:38:02 +0200
>     From:
>          "Kristin A. Hussein" <krisawni@internet-zahav.net>
>
>Do you have any additional information regarding Sarah Sinclair and 
>John
>
>W. Sinclair that you mentioned in your e-mail of Wed., 14 September? 
>I'm
>
>desperately searching for ANYTHING that might link me to my Robert
>Sinclair and John W. Sinclair in Ohio.
>
>****************
>
>Subject:
>          Attn: Marilyn Siperek
>     Date:
>          Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:55:47 +0200
>     From:
>          "Kristin A. Hussein" <krisawni@internet-zahav.net>
>
>I am VERY interested in the siblings of your g grandfather, Alexander
>Sinclair. You mentioned that among his siblings were a Robert and 
>John
>Sinclair. I am desperately seeking any information about my gg
>grandfather Robert Sinclair (1850? 1860? - ?)and his son, my g
>grandfather, John Ward Sinclair (1891-1928), . Do you have any
>additional information on these two? Birth dates/death
>dates/places/marriages/children, etc.? I would really appreciate
>anything you could provide. Also, the middle name of "Allan" rang a 
>bell
>
>with me. It is in my family. My maternal uncle's name is James Allan
>Sinclair. My own middle name is "Alynn", which is a variation of 
>Allan.
>My mother intended to name me after my uncle had I been born male, 
>but
>since I wasn't, she changed his middle name to make it a female
>variation and gave it to me as my own middle name. I'm really hoping 
>for
>
>a connection here. The dates and names seem to coincide. Hope to hear
>from you soon.
>********************
>
>   Date:
>          Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:49:13 EDT
>     From:
>          MSiperek@aol.com
>
>       Robert Sinclair ( born 1832- S. Ronaldsay Orkney Islands) 
>married
>
>Mary Sutherland Allan (born 1833- Isle of Swona South Ronaldsay 
>Orkney
>Islands)-
>married on Isle of Swona on Jun16, 1859.  Robert was their son born 
>Jan.
>
>1st 1869:  John was their son born on Sept. 13, 1870.  I have not yet
>checked
>IGI for spouses and children.  Alexander, my great-grandfather was
>probably the
>8th child.  He emigrated to US (Western New York) in 1902.  I have 
>much
>more info on the family if you feel it is your line.  Where are you
>from?  In
>June 1909, a newspaper article commemorating Robert and Mary Allan
>Sinclair's
>50th anniversary stated there wer 11 children total of which 5 sons 
>and
>5
>daughters remained- I have identified 9 of the 11.  The article 
>reported
>that the
>children resided in : Africa, one in Australia, two in Liverpool, one 
>in
>
>Glasgow, one in Barnsley, Yorkshire and one in Oyce.  When reviewing 
>old
>
>post cards and photos there were also links to Racine Wisc, Aberdeen 
>and
>British
>Columbia.   Hope this helps. Marilyn
>
>*****************
>Date:
>             Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:17:56 -0500
>       From:
>             "Robert J. Stevens" <snevets@execpc.com>
>
>The Maerican Geographicak=l & Biographical Index list a John Sinclair
>183? Oh Wallbridge[book] pg 257
>I am looking for John W sinclair the Son of Sarah Sinclair and John
>Sinclair of Highland Co. John died in Ross Co in 1823. John W. was
>indentured out to a George W. Tucker as a Tailor's apprentice for 5
>years not sure of him after that. There were two John St Clair on the
>1820 Census Index one in Columbiana Co Han Twp Pg 73. The other in
>Geauga Co Spr Twp pg 177. I found that the census takers were not to
>faithful in recording the Surnames so its wise to check all 
>variences.
>Our Thomas was recorded as Stclair on the 1860. 1830 has a John 
>Sinclair
>
>in Belmont Richland Twp Pg 240. and four John St Clairs two in 
>Hamilton
>Springfield pgs 261 255. one in Muskingum Rich Hill twp pg 266. and 
>one
>in Warren Franklin twp pg 202. also a john St Clair in Clinton 
>Chester
>twp pg 229. 1840 has a John St Clair in Hamilton Cincinnati p 187. If
>you do go lookup these people on the Rolls themselves please check 
>this
>one out there is a Thos S St Claire in Highland Co Concord Twp Pg73. 
>A
>john Sinclair Warren Co Wayyne Twp pg 152. a john sinclair Columbiana 
>co
>
>Han twp. pg 44. a robert sinclair columbiana co Wes Twp pg 2. [I 
>don't
>have the Twp list for the north half on Ohio. A John Sinclair Monroe 
>co
>Center twp pg 97 and john in Muskingum co Rich Hill twp pg 480. a 
>john
>st clere in Pikaway co sea twp pg 11. In 1850 two many john's to 
>list.
>no Roberts. 1860 a John/Lydia/Sarah in murc[Muskingum rich hill] pg 
>381
>a john in rs[Ross]hr pg 127. robert/Nancy/Orlando in Murc pg 382.
>John/Elmina/adam,mary,sarah sinclare in murc pg 385. I have a friend 
>in
>Waverly who sent me some stuff from the 1860. You probably have most 
>of
>this but if not ?maybe? Bob Stevens
>
>*******************
>
>Subject:
>          John Sinclair
>     Date:
>          Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:03:08 EDT
>     From:
>          Richmart@aol.com
>
>We want to add to the plethora of John Sinclairs in hopes that 
>someone
>might find a connection.
>
> John Sinclair was born 06 April, 1740 in Stirling,Scotland.  He 
>married
>
>Isobel Campbell 16 March, 1766.
>
>
>Children of John Sinclair and Isobel Campbell are:
>+       2       i.      Daniel Sinclair, born 29 January, 1772 in
>Stirling,
>Stirling, Scotland.
>        3       ii.     James Sinclair, born 24 January, 1776.
>        4       iii.    Margaret Sinclair, born 31 October, 1767.
>        5       iv.     John Sinclair, born 11 March, 1774.
>
>2.  Daniel Sinclair  was born 29 January, 1772 in Stirling, Stirling,
>Scotland.  He
>married Mary McGrigor 08 May, 1812 in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland.
>
>Children of Daniel Sinclair and Mary McGrigor are:
>+       6       i.      John Sinclair, born 18 October, 1819; died 
>1880
>in
>Glasgow, Scotland.
>        7       ii.     Janet Sinclair, born 1813.
>        8       iii.    Christian Sinclair, born 1815.
>        9       iv.     Mary Sinclair, born 1824.
>        10      v.      Daniel Sinclair, born 1830.
>
>
>.  JOHN SINCLAIR  was born 18 October, 1819, and died 1880 in 
>Glasgow,
>Scotland.  He married MARGARET SCOTT 27 August, 1843 in Gorbals, 
>Lanark,
>
>Scotland, daughter of JOHN SCOTT and ELIZABETH BLAIR.
>Children of JOHN SINCLAIR and MARGARET SCOTT are:
>
>4.      i.      ALEXANDER SINCLAIR, b. 12 November, 1843, Glasgow,
>Scotland; d. 08
>February, 1886, Glasgow,
>
>        ii.     MARY SINCLAIR, b. 21 September, 1845.
>        iii.    WALTER SINCLAIR, b. 02 April, 1848, Glasgow, Lanark,
>Scotland.
>        iv.     ISABELLA SINCLAIR, b. 14 April, 1850, Glasgow, 
>Lanark,
>Scotland.
>        v.      JOHN SINCLAIR, b. 09 May, 1852, Glasgow,Lanark,
>Scotland.
>        vi.     JAMES BLAIR SINCLAIR, b. 02 July, 1854, 
>Glasgow,Lanark,
>Scotland.
>        vii.    WILLIAM SINCLAIR, b. 16 July, 1856, Glasgow,Lanark,
>Scotland.
>.
>
>11.  Alexander Sinclair  was born 12 November, 1843 in Glasgow,
>Scotland, and died 08 February, 1886 in Glasgow,  Scotland.  He 
>married
>Bridgett McLachlan
>13 July, 1865 in Lanark, Anderson, Glasgow ,Scotland, daughter of 
>Daniel
>
>Mclachlan and Isabella Allan.
>
>
>Children of Alexander Sinclair and Bridgett McLachlan are:
>+       18      i.      John Sinclair, born 01 October, 1868 in 
>Glasgow,
>
>Scotland; died in
>Detroit, Mich.
>        19      ii.     Dan Sinclair, born 15 May, 1871.Died in 
>Detroit,
>
>Mich
>+       20      iii.    Walter Scott Sinclair, born 29 September, 
>1875
>in
>Glasgow,
>Scotland; died 15 February, 1929 in Detroit, Mich.
>+       21      iv.     Bella Sinclair, born 18 August, 1876.Died in
>Detroit, Mich
>        22      v.      Catherine Sinclair, born 20 September, 
>1881.Died
>in
>Detroit, Mich
>
>*****************
>
>Subject:
>          Johns & Josephs of Geauga Co. OH
>     Date:
>          Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:34:14 -0700
>     From:
>          "laurel" <laurel@spiritone.com>
>
>My line of Sinclairs were in Perry, Geauga Co. OH on the 1820 census
>listed David, John, David Jr., Bradbury, and
>John Sinclear Jr. living there.  Another son, Leonard was in Morgan,
>Ashtabula Co. OH.  The 1830 Perry, Geauga
>Co census shows Joseph St. Clair at Perry, Joseph St. Clair at 
>Harden,
>Geauga, Joshua at Leroy, Geauga, David at
>Perry.  In 1840 Joshua was in Rockdale, Erie Co. PA beside his wife's
>Morey relatives.
>
>The Morrison gives this information on John Sr. s/o Col. Richard 
>Sinkler
>& Polly Cilley.  Richard was descended
>from John Sinkler of Exeter:  John Sr. was b. Gilmanton,  NH Jan. 13,
>1763 d. of TB at Frederick, Schyler Co. IL at
>the home of his dau Molly who m. 1st Jefferson Rice and resided at
>Frederick.  She m. 2nd Col. Wilcox.  pg. 150.
>==
>Note:  The connections to OH and many to southern OH. Many JOHNS and
>JOSEPHS. My line is Joshua and Rhoda Morey who went to OH, PA and to 
>WI
>by 1845 d. JUNEAU CO. WI.  Have a little more on his siblings 
>Leonard,
>Abigail, and JOSEPH who also went to WI.  Beware of errors in the
>Morrison book and perhaps some I have done now at 11:30 PM.  I 
>haven't
>copied complete dates and there are pages and pages on the exploits 
>of
>the very patriotic s/o Richard and Polly who all the older ones, I
>think, were  there with Mad Anthony Wayne as they charged Crown Point
>and Richard Jr. witnessed the whole Major Andre-Benedict Arnold
>situation.
>
>John's siblings, children of Richard and Polly were:
>
>Bradbury Sinkler b. Newmarket, NH Mar. 8, 1754 d. Valley Forge 1778
>Lt. Richard Sinkler Jr, Newmarket Oct. 1756, res. Barnstead, NH in 
>Rev.
>d.on route to Cincinnati 1820
>Mary b. Nottingham, NH Dec. 1760; Rev. war. m. Mr. Weed; res. Perry,
>Lake Co. where she d.
>Joshua b. Nottingham, NH Apr. 16, 1760; Rev. War; d. Maumee City, OH
>Nov. 1849
>Samuel b. Nottingham, NH May 10, 1762; Rev. War; d. Sinclairville, 
>Chat.
>Co. Feb. 8, 1827
>JOHN b. Gilmanton, NH Jan. 13, 1763; d. Frederick, IL, Nov. 4, 1845
>Elsie b. Gilmanton, NH about 1764; d. at Vassalborough, ME, aged 18
>JOSEPH b. Gilmanton, NH, Apr. 9, 1766; d. May 12, 1845,at Perry, Lake
>Co. OH
>David b. B arnstead, NH; Apr. 9, 1766; d. May 12, 1845; at Perry, 
>Lake
>Co., OH
>
>Lt. Richard Sinkler, JR. (s/o Richard and Polly) joined his brother
>John, who, more than ten years before, had
>located at or near French Creek (or Harbor Creek) Erie Co. PA which 
>was
>not far distant from their brother Samuel
>Sinclair of Sinclairville, NY.  He lived with his brother, and in 
>1820
>left his house and started on a visit to
>Cincinnati.  He was taken sick on the way and died in OH.  His wife 
>was
>Elizabeth, Betsey, daughter of Charles
>Hodgdon of Barnstead, etc...Children: Nanch m. Obadiah Eastman res.
>Dorchester, NH, Polly Cilley b. 1789 m.
>Abraham Runnells Bunker of Barnstead; Charles Grandison b. 1793 m.
>Martha G. d/ o Joseph Norris etc.
>and Eliza S. b. 1800 m. 1825 William Jenkins of Barnstead.  they had 
>5
>children and all died very young.
>
>Joshua s/ o Richard and Polly Cilley Sinkler b. Apr. 16, 1760
>Nottingham, NH.  ....m. 1794 m. Abigail Pattee....Res.
>Unity, ME...D. Maumee City, OH where he had lived but a few years.
>Children: George W.; Abigail m. Thomas
>Bagley; William b. 1799 Physician; Thomas J. b. 1801 m. Celinda
>Bakeman; Mary b. 1803 m. Alden Chandler ;
>Joshua b. 1805 d. RACINE, WI Oct 17, 1848; Jane b. 1807 d. age 21
>single; Elizabeth Lovejoy b. 1809 m. in
>Maumee City, OH Alpheus W. Boynton; moved to LaFFayette, OH; children 
>d.
>in infancy; Daniel Lovejoy b. 1811
>d. 1816; Dorcas Burnham b. 1813 m.as his second wife; Alden Chandler 
>d.
>in MARQUETTE, WI
>
>Maj. Samuel Sinkler b. 1762  s/o Richard and Polly Cilley Sinkler
>m. at Vassalboro, MEE 1785 Sally Perkins who d. Eaton, NY 1804. Their
>children
>Molly b. 1786 m. Elijah Haswell; John b. 1789 m. Betsey Lee d. Gerry, 
>NY
>; Solomon b. 1780 d. aged 10 years; Sally
>b. 1791 d. 1792; Sophy b. 1793; m. Mr. Ward d. in IOWA
>Samuel b. 1794 d. 1794
>Sally b. Madison, NY 1795 m. William Barros and d. HASTINGS, MN
>Richard b. Eaton, NY 1799 d. 1802
>Samuel b. Eaton, NY 1801 d. Kinzua, Warren Co., PA 1848
>Agnes b. Eaton, NY 1803 d. 1803
>
>He m. 2nd 1805 Mrs Fanny (Bigalow) Edson who had 7 children from 1st
>marriage. He d. 1827 Sinklarville, NY and
>then these children from this marriage
>Nancy b. Madison, Madison Co., NY 1806
>David B igalow b. Madison 1807 d. 1879
>JOSEPHb. Madison, NY March 15, 1809 d. at FT. WAYNE, INof cholera, 
>Sept.
>7, 1854
>George W. b. Sinclairville, NY July 4, 1811 res. Sinclairville in 18 
>89
>Orlinda b. Sinclairville 1813, m. Dr. Charles Parker d. Maryville, 
>Chau.
>Co. NY 1846
>Virtue Elvira b. Sinclairville 1816 m. 1835 Chester Cole; Res.
>HILLSDALE, MI
>Hiram B. Sinclairville 1817 d. 1818
>
>John Sinkler b. 1763 Gilmanton, NH s/o Richard and Polly Cilley 
>Sinkler
>built sawmills which took him to several
>different residences through his life. m. 1785 Abigail Clark b. 1768
>Hallowell, ME; their children:
>1. Sally b. Barnstead, NH 1786 m. Calvin Snell res. and death in 
>Perry,
>OH, among children Nabby, Sally, Jane
>Calvin, Andrus of Parisville, OH
>2. Bradbury b. Barnstead 1788 d. at MARIETTA, IL 1788
>3. JOHN Jr. Barnstead 1790 d. 1822 Perry, OH of TB aged 32 soldier in
>War of 1812
>4. David b. Barnstead 1792 in War of 1812
>5. Leonard b. Danville, VT 1793. m. Sarah St. John; was a carpenter 
>and
>farmer; d. 1876 at village of NORTHPORT,
>MEEKWA, WAUPACCA CO., WI
>6.  Abigail b. Danville, VT 1798 m. Mr. Casper; res. SAUK CO. WI 
>......
>7.  Samuel b. Black River, Jeff. Co., NY 1801; drown at Rockdale, PA
>1804 3 yrs old
>8. Joshua b. 1802 Harbor Creek, Erie Co., PA 1885, SUMMIT, JUNEAU 
>CO.,
>WI m. Rhoda Morey; Carpenter
>    children: Enoch, Franklin, Oliva C. M. John Coleman, Phylander 
>V.,
>Charles L. Melinda m. George Curtis and ;
>My ancestor--John Wesley b. 1837 /40 Rockdale, PA -m. Mary Ann Judd 
>b.
>Leeds Co. Can. (d/o Arza L. Judd and
>Matilda Stevens) and member of the Co K 6th WI (Iron Brigade) d. 
>SEVEN
>MILE CREEK, JUNEAU CO. WI; and
>Susan M. 9. Prudence b. Rockdale, Crawford Co, PA 1805 m. Mr. Kibbie;
>and Mr. Lord
>10. JOSEPH b. Rockdale, PA 1808 d. 1867 SUMMIT, JUNEAU CO., WI m. 
>Eliza
>A.?; carpenter and farmer
>11. Daniel b. Rockdale 1811
>12. Molly b. Rockdale, PA 1813 m. Jefferson Rice; res. Frederick, IL 
>d.
>of TB  1855  m. 2nd Col. Wilxox...
>
>JOSEPH b. Gilmanton, NH Apr. 9, 1766 s/o Richard and Polly He lived
>there until 1794 when he moved to Danville,
>VT. moved to Peacham, VT then to Perry, Lake Co., OH 1828 near his
>brother JOHN. m. Olive Colbath d/o
>Benjamin and Polly Bickford.  Children:
>1. JOSEPH b. Barnstead, NH Oct. 15, 1789; d.  SIOUX CITY, IA
>2. Sally b. Barnstead 1791 d. 1791
>3. Betsey b. Barnstead 1792 d. 1810
>4. Greenleaf Cilley b. Danville, VT 1794 d. Perry, OH 1876
>5. Betsey b. Danville, VT d. there when young
>6. Statira b. Danville, Vt 1796 moved to Perry, Lake Co., OH m. Mr.
>McDowell d. in Ashtabula, OH 1832 no living
>children.  Lived at one time in Vienna, Trumbull Co. OH
>7. Roxanna b. 1798 in Danville, Vt m. Asa Glines
>8. Milton b. Danville 1800 d. at Perry, OH 1852
>9. Sarah b. Danville 1802 m. Stephen Glines at Perry
>10. Olive b. 1804 Danville m. 1833 Amherst Call (PA?) res. Perry, OH
>11. Arit b. Danville 1806; farmer; lived Perry, OH d. 1836 single
>12 Elizabeth B. b. Danville, VT 1811; m. Carlos Norris; res. Perry, 
>OH
>
>David b. B arnstead 1770 s/o Richard and Polly Cilley ; moved to 
>Perry,
>OH where he kept a hotel and owned a
>large farm, was a fine marksman etc. m. Sally Batchelder of
>Barnstead.....Children:
>Prentice res, Perry, Eunice d. young , Polly d. young, Calvin res.
>Perry, Sally d. young, Betsey m. Elisha Coltran;
>Nancy moved to OH with parents, Dolly m. Daniel Parmley d. Perry 
>1887;
>Sarah m. Samuel Wortman res.
>BRONSON, BRANCH CO., MI, David d. KINGSTON, ADAMS CO., NE 1891, Polly 
>b.
>LeroyLeRoy Genesee Co.
>NY 1817 m. Benjamin Wolverton res. Mentor Ave. PAINESVILLE, OH; 
>Eunice
>b. Perry OH m. 1852 Lyman
>Durand. res. Mentor, OH child Charles Durand b. Mentor res. 
>Painesville,
>OH; single (at time of publication)
>
>
>So hope you people looking for Johns and Josephs see their people and
>those looking for clues in OH, WI and IL
>will be helped.  I need a clue to my Moreys in Crawford Co., PA.  At
>least you can eliminate some that you were
>curious about on the census.
>Laurel
>Portland, OR
>
>Molly b. 1786 Vassalboro, ME m. Elijah Haswall
>John b. 1788 Vassalboro, ME m. Betsey
>
>**************
>      Date:
>          Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:29:50 -0600
>     From:
>          Gerard Souliere <gsoulier@home.com>
>
>I would like to know if some body knows some sinclair that had some
>relative in montreal, my mother came from montreal,Her father name is
>Joseph sinclair married to Georgiana Arbour.My mother said that she 
>had
>some relative in montreal.
>
>**************
>Subject:
>          Re: Johns & Josephs of Geauga Co. OH
>     Date:
>          Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:12:00 EDT
>     From:
>          MSiperek@aol.com
>
>      Also please note that the info I sent you on the descendents of
>Robert Sinclair and Mary Sutherland Allan (Robert, John) may also 
>apply
>to your
>sasrch as the area in Western NY where my gg-grandfather Alex settled 
>is
>
>very close to both Ohio and PA; The area is only about 60 miles from
>Ontario
>Canada.  Our line is not in the Morrison book.  Our Alex settled 
>within
>70
>miles of the Sinclairville NY, Erie PA and Albion NY descendents 
>listed
>in
>the Morrison book.  I expect that there is a commom thread there
>somewhere, but
>have been unable to make a connections.  I do know that he had at 
>least
>two
>siblings precede him.
>
>***************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: Attn: Cathy Fulton Re: Ohio Sinclairs
>     Date:
>          Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:41:32 +0900
>     From:
>          "Cathy Fulton" <Cathyscatz@bigfoot.com>
>
>John P. Sinclair DOB 8-16-1804 in OH, DOD 11-28-1885 Wayne County 
>Iowa-
>Married Nancy Olinger DOB 1812 No more is listed on Nancy.
>Children:
>Mahala (F) 1836 in IN
>Williamson (M) 12-6-1837 Grant co IN  DOD-2-25-1919
>Phillip (M) 1839 in IN
>Stacy (M) 1841
>John W(M) 1845\Rachel A.(F) 1847
>Phebe J(F) 1849
>James R (M) 1850
>Tilman H(M) 1851
>Nancy E(F) 1856
>
>Note.. All children were listed as born in Grant County IN. 
>Williamson
>is
>my
>G- grandfather and that's why I have any DOD info on him. Williamson
>married
>Sarah Francis Breece on 8-14-1865 when she was only 15yo. Sarah was 
>born
>in
>Franklin Co IN. They had 15 children including (of course) my
>Grandfather
>George Augustus Sinclair DOB 8-10-1893 DOD 12-22-1974. I have most of
>the
>DOD's for his siblings and if they are needed please let me know and 
>I
>will
>gladly supply a copy of them. All my grandfather's siblings were born 
>in
>
>Wayne Co. IA.
>
>****************
>
>    Date:
>          Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:09:24 +0900
>     From:
>          "Cathy Fulton" <Cathyscatz@bigfoot.com>
>
>Is it possible that Olinger was her middle name and not her last 
>name?
>My
>Dad says that this info is from the Wayne co. historical society and 
>of
>questionable origin. What other info on my line would you like? I 
>gave
>all
>the info on my GG John P Sinclair that I have....do you need the rest 
>of
>my
>Grampas family info as well? I will gladly supply it for you.
>Williamson Sinclair DOB 12-06-1837 Grant co. Indiana DOD 2-25-1919 
>Wayne
>
>co.
>IA
>Married Sarah Francis Breese on 08-14-1865. Sarah's DOB 08-18-1860 
>DOD
>04-19-1945
>Children:
> John Henry (M) DOB 9/12/1866 Wayne Co. IA DOD 05/29/1954 Lineville, 
>IA
>Nancy Isabella (F) DOB 08/19/1867 Wayne Co. IA  DOD 09/05/1868, Wayne
>Co.
>IA
>Della Lola (F) DOB 05/13/1869 Wayne Co. IA , DOD 09/05/1869 Wayne Co. 
>IA
>
>William Washington (M) DOB 09/09/1870 Wayne Co. IA  DOD 002/23/1963
>Thermopolis WY
>Alva P(M) DOB 06/29/1873 Wayne Co. IA DOD Unknown
>James Stacy(M) DOB 03/20/1875 Wayne Co. IA , DOD 08/14/1876 Wayne Co. 
>IA
>
>Jesse Aubrey (M) DOB 10/17/1878 Wayne Co. IA , DOD 03/10/1921 
>Corydon,
>IA
>Mary E.R. (F) DOB 06/25/1880 Wayne Co. IA , DOD Unknown, St Joseph, 
>MO
>Glen Oscar(M) DOB 09/09/1882 Wayne Co. IA , DOD 09/27/1954 Wayne Co. 
>IA
>Maggie (F) DOB 08/07/1884 Wayne Co. IA , DOD08/19/1885 Wayne Co. IA
>Anna Jane (F) DOB 06/21/1886 Wayne Co. IA , DOD08/04/1887 Wayne Co. 
>IA
>Marley (M) DOB 01/23/1888 Wayne Co. IA , DOD 02/20/1888 Wayne Co. IA
>Grace A (F)DOB 05/16/1889 Wayne Co. IA ,DOD04/20/1917 of TB, Wayne 
>Co.
>IA
>Gertie (F) DOB 03/26/1891 Wayne Co. IA , DOD Unknown, Des Moines, IA
>George Augustus(M)** DOB 08/10/1893 Wayne Co. IA , DOD12/22/1974 of 
>lung
>
>cancer, in West Branch, IA. He was my Grampa and I still miss him.
>
>George Augustus Sinclair married Hallie Evelyn Dent (DOB 01/16/1908,
>Marion
>Co. IA, DOD 01/29/1979, Ontario CA) [George was married briefly befor
>this
>and divorced her to marry Hallie. Unsure of her name...no children 
>tho]
>Marraige took place in February?, 1925
>Children:
>LaVerne Weston(M) 04/20/1925 Corydon, IA
>William Lemley (M)DOB 10/02/1926, Corydon, IA{raised by aunt and 
>Uncle
>for
>some unknown reason}DOD of Liver Cancer, 03/30/1980, Corydon, IA
>Donald Marvin(M) DOB 01/10/1929 Corydon, IA
>Melvin Eugene (M) DOB 01/02/1931, Corydon, IA
>Gerald George** (M) DOB 11/18/1932, Corydon, IA
>** He is my Dad.
>Gerald George Sinclar Married Edith Harriet Blocher (DOB 03/10/1932,
>Corydon, IA) on June 22,1951.
>Children:
>Thomas Lavern(M) DOB 09/22/1954, Mt Clemmons MI
>Brian Mark(M) DOB 03/26/1960 Belmond, IA
>Catherine Mary**(F)DOB 11/07/1962 Belmond, IA
>**Me of course!<G>
>Catherine married Larry Michael on 06/20/1980 and divorced him 2 yrs
>later.
>No children. Then I married Mark Fulton on 11/07/1991 and became 
>very,
>blissfully happy<G>
>Children:
>Mary Amanda(F) DOB 10/03/1984, Iowa City, IA
>Rebecca Jeanne(F), DOB 06/16/1992, Iowa City, IA
>Connor Mark(M) DOB 10/16/1993, Iowa City, IA
>This was a reply to:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jean Grigsby <jgrigsby@bcni.net>
>Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 12:23 AM
>Subject: Re: Attn: Cathy Fulton Re: Ohio Sinclairs
>
>>Cathy, there were two distinct branches in Grant County, Indiana, 
>and
>both
>>branches came from Clinton County, Ohio.  I hired a researcher and
>finally
>>documented which branch was which.  >
>>There is one big problem.  The marriage record says John P. married
>Nancy
>>JACKSON.  We (a group researching this line) are trying to determine
>>whether he married two Nancys or whether there were two John P.s.  
>Two
>of
>>John Ps sisters also married into the Jackson family.  Their parents
>were
>>James Sinclair and Rachel (surname unknown).  James came out of
>Virginia
>>and some think he was the nephew of Alexander of Augusta but there 
>is
>no
>>proof of that.
>>
>>I am missing one family in my own line.  He was also a John Sinclair
>and
>>his last record is the census of 1820 Columbiana County, Ohio.  His
>father
>>and brother also went into Clinton County and I thought for a long 
>time
>
>>that your John P. was his son as the brother was the same William 
>who
>went
>>to Grant County, Indiana but that would be impossible unless James 
>was
>an
>>unknown son of my George.  There is still a lot to be done before I 
>am
>>satisfied with this line.
>
>****************
>
>Subject:
>          Sarah Ann Stuart Sinclair
>     Date:
>          Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:33:22 -0500 (CDT)
>     From:
>          jspicer@mcdowell.main.nc.us (Julia English Spicer)
>
>
>Looking for parents of Sarah Ann Stuart, b. 1835 who married
>Duncan F. Sinclair, b. 1833.
>
>*****************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: Sinclairs in Ohio
>     Date:
>          Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:28:06 GMT
>     From:
>          asflwr@cujo2.icom.ca (Antonia Sinclair)
>
>Although this one doesn't show any connection to Ohio, here it comes:
>
>John W. "Jack" Sinclair, died 1958.  He married Annie Neil.  She was 
>the
>
>daughter of Robert Neil.  They had 5 children
>
>Reta, Eleanor, Islay (I love that name!), Blake and Neil.  They were 
>all
>in
>Peel County, which is west of Toronto.  No mention of where this Jack
>came
>from.
>
>I do recall a couple of months ago I received an email from a Jack
>Sinclair, who
>said he was the 7th generation "Jack".  I didn't save his message, but 
>I
>
>think he was from B.C.  I think I also saw a message from him on the
>Sinclair Guestbook website.  You might check that source out.
>
>Toni
>*****************
>
>    Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:05:41 +0200
>     From:
>          "Kristin A. Hussein" <krisawni@internet-zahav.net>
> Do you have any further information on John W. (1845) and Rachel A.
>(1847)? What does the W. stand for? Rachel's maiden name? Children of
>the couple? Places? Etc.
>
>***************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: John Arthur Sinclair
>     Date:
>          Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:13:26 +0200
>     From:
>          "Roland + Shirley Bowers" <bowersrg@mweb.co.za>
>
>I am very excited that you have traced a John Arthus Sinclair born in
>Dundee in
>around about 1917 - tell me more!!!!
>
>**************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: Sarah Ann Stuart Sinclair
>     Date:
>          Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:10:59 -0700
>     From:
>          "Matheson" <zoo@uswest.net>
>
>Parents of Sarah Ann Stuart who married Duncan F. Sinclair are John
>Stuart and Dicy.  See 1850 Moore, North
>Carolina census (p 245) John Stuart 48 farmer $800 NC, Dicy 40, Elias 
>17
>farmer, Sarah 15, Margaret 11, Ellen 9,
>Martha 7, Mary E 4, Catherine 1
>
>*******************
>Subject:
>            Re: Attn: Marilyn Siperek
>       Date:
>            Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:17:16 -0500
>      From:
>            John Campbell <jocam@istar.ca>
>  Marilyn, I am researching the Sinclairs from Orkney as well,
>in particular the family of John Irvine Sinclair, born about
>1889 at Stronsay, married 3 Sept 1913 to Jessie Wallace at
>Prattsfauld,they had nine children, his mother was
>Mary Ann Moor. That is all I have on the Sinclair Line and
>have been unable to locate any further information, any help
>you may be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
>John
>
>MSiperek@aol.com wrote:
>
> We have a John Sinclair from Orkney born Sept. 13th 1870.  If
>that fits the time period you are looking for.  I have quite a bit of
>info
>from  1800's Orkney/Stromness  Sinclairs.  Let me know when you have
>more info.
> Marilyn
>
>*****************
>
>Subject:
>          Charles A. Sinclair of Exeter
>     Date:
>          Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:45:58 -1000
>     From:
>          "kevin and rika" <kevrik@shaka.com>
>
>Would anybody have information on Charles A. Sinclair , born in 
>Exeter
>N.H.
>after 1869. He was the son of John Albert Sinclair and Parmelia 
>Princess
>
>Qualty Page. My Grandmother says he died "in the war", but I haven't
>found
>any mention of him in either WW1 or Spanish-American War records .Also 
>,
>if
>any descendents of  his brother , John F. Sinclair and Mary Winkler 
>are
>reading this , drop me a note.
>Mahalo- Kevin
>
>*****************
>
>Subject:
>            Re: Attn: Marilyn Siperek
>       Date:
>            Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:53:32 +0200
>      From:
>            "Kristin A. Hussein" <krisawni@internet-zahav.net>
>I did browse the cursiter files. Very useful information and it's 
>good
>to know that it's out
>there. I had never heard of them prior to your e-mail. Unfortunately,
>not only your Robert, but several others also fit into the correct 
>time
>frame and I am not even 100% certain that my Robert was born in
>Scotland. In addition, I didn't find one of those Roberts that was
>registered has having been married to a Ward in the right time 
>period.
>(I did check out the Wards on that site as well) I don't know. I seem 
>to
>
>be running around in circles here - getting nowhere fast.
>
>I have absolutely no information regarding siblings of my Robert. I 
>have
>
>extremely little information to go on period, to tell the truth. I 
>only
>know that he was in Ohio at some point, may or may not have been born
>there (possibly Scotland) from 1850-60, that he married a Miss Ward 
>and
>that one of his children (my g grandfather) was named John Ward 
>Sinclair
>
>I - HE was definitely born in Ohio (1891). My Robert also apparently 
>had
>
>a daughter, but the only thing that I know about her was that she was
>living in Colorado at the time of her brother's (John W. Sinclair I)
>death in 1928 in Montana. She was living there with her mother - the
>elusive Miss Ward - according to John Ward Sinclair I's obituary 
>(which
>unfortunately for me, did NOT give the names of the two women). 
>Without
>first names, trying to do searches is rather futile.
>
>As for photographs, I have none of Robert. The only proof I have that 
>he
>
>existed in fact is that his name is on his son's (John W. Sinclair I)
>death certificate, which I received from a relative about 6 months 
>ago.
>Prior to that, I didn't even know about him. This same relative did 
>send
>
>me several photos of my grandfather (John Ward Sinclair I's son, 
>Robert
>Sinclair's grandson) though - who was yet another John - John Ward
>Sinclair II. The oldest one was taken in approx. 1926. He was about 5
>years old then and was sitting next to his only brother - Rodney Noel
>Sinclair - who died last year of a heart attack. It is his wife, 
>Ruth,
>who has been trying to help me out with all of this and was the one 
>who
>sent me the death certificate for JWS I, the photos, etc. She still
>resides in Dillon, Montana and is 70 now.
>
>**********************
>
>Subject:
>            Re: John Arthur Sinclair
>       Date:
>            Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:53:43 -0500
>      From:
>            Margaret Rintoul/Neil Sinclair <rinsin@globalserve.net>
>
>Sinclair, Lord of Keswick
>My Dear Sir;
>Your correspondent is in Toronto Canada and is a lawyer
>researching and writing on Sinclair family history. Are you
>aware of any publications on family histories between the
>years 1650 and 1750, in particular pertaining to the clan
>war between Campbell and Sinclair in 1680. There is scant
>material on this side of the pond.
>Our deepest appreciation;
>Yours truly;
>Neil Sinclair
>Toronto-PEI-Argyll
>
>******************
>
>    Date:
>          Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:24:08 -0600
>     From:
>          Gerard Souliere <gsoulier@home.com>
>
>Mother
>Marie rose de lima sinclair married to edmond souliere
>                  st-paul d'aylmer 30 may 1918
>
>joseph sinclair  married  at ste-cunegone august 1,1889 to georgiana
>arbour
>Guillaume sinclair married at st-roch que.august 13 1850 to 
>marguerite
>l'abbe
>Alexandre sinclair married at notre-dame que.jan.8 1822 to marguerite
>pruneau.
>Jacques sinclair married at de la villede dunkerque du nord en france 
>to
>
>elizabeth sainclair.
>
>If someone has any information about these names I would to know.
>
>Gerard souliere
>********************
>
>     Date:
>          Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:32:38 -0800
>     From:
>          "laurel" <laurel@spiritone.com>
> Thank you all for your contributions to the story of our William
>Sinclair's
>trip with Bruce's heart.  This is what I found in the book, Robert 
>The
>Brucew, King of Scots" by Ronald McNair Scott".  pg. 227:
>"Douglas had a casket made of silver and enamel and in it he placed 
>the
>heart of Robert Bruce and carried it always on a chain about his 
>neck.
> Early in the spring of 1330, he set sail from Berwick in a ship 
>fitted
>out
>in royal state so that all might know he was the bearer of the heart 
>of
>Robert, King of Scotland, and on his way to lay it in the Holy 
>Sepulchre
>in
>Jerusalem.  He had on board six knights, linked in friendship,
>neighboring
>landowners from the Stewart domains:  Sir William Sinclair of Roslyn,
>Sir
>Robert and Sir Walter Logan, Sir William Keith, Sir Alan Cathcart and
>Sir
>Seymour Loccard of Lee, and one other knight unnamed.  Twenty-six
>squires
>and gentlemen were there to serve them.
>    Their first port of call was Sluys in Flanders.  Here Doublas
>remained
>12 days, entertaining liberally on gold and silver plate and letting 
>it
>be
>known that any who wished to fight in the Holy Land were welcome to 
>join
>
>his
>company.  He then sailed in rough seas around the coast of Spain and 
>up
>the
>Guadalquiver River to drop anchor in the city of Seville.
>    When Alfonso XI, King of Castile and Leon, heard that he had 
>arrived
>he
>came to greet him and offer him hospitality, and many foreign and
>especially
>English knights who had flocked to Spain to war against the Moors 
>called
>at
>his lodgings to give him welcome, for his military prowess was
>acknowledged
>above all others throughout the camps of Europe.
>    Douglas and his company rested for a while at Seville after the
>hardships of their story voyage, but in March the Moorish King of
>Granada
>advanced against the city and the King of Castile and Leon marshalled
>his
>forces to meet him.  He asked Douglas to lead the vanguard and placed
>under
>his command all the foreign knights.  On 25 Mar., at Zebas de 
>Ardales,
>the
>armies came face to face.
>    Douglas gave the order to charge and both sides became locked in
>battle.
>But the Saracens employed a ruse with which Douglas was not 
>acquainted.
>Suddenly they turned their horses and fled, pursued by the 
>Christians.
>Douglas and ten of his followers had drawn far ahead of the vanguard
>when
>the Sar acens sharply checked and swung round to encircle them.  
>Douglas
>
>turned too and might have escaped through the gap, but saw tha t Sir
>William
>Sinclair had been overtaken.  With the two knights who were beside
>him--Sir
>Robert and Sir Walter Logan--Douglas turned yet agains to rescue his
>comrade.  In a moment they were surrounded by a multitude of Moors 
>and,
>fighting desperately, were all cut down.
>    The rest of the vanguard w ere now approaching, and the Sasracens
>once
>more wheeled round their horses and galloped from the field, leaving 
>the
>
>four knights dead upon the ground.  The heart of Robert Bruce within 
>its
>
>casket was found still chained about the neck of Douglas and, 
>according
>to
>the tradition of the Cathcart family, was taken up by Sir Alan 
>Cathcart.
>
>    The body of Douglas was brought to his cousin, Sir William Keith,
>who
>had been prevented from taking party in the battle by a broken arm.
>After
>having the body boiled so that the flesh parted from the bones, the
>flesh
>was buried in holy ground and bones placed on shipboard.  Then Sir
>William
>Keith, in command of the remaining Scotsmen, sailed for home, and 
>when
>they
>had made landfall, the hea rt of Bruce was carried to the Abbey of
>Melrose
>and interred with great reverence, and the bones of Douglas were 
>buried
>in
>the Kirk of Douglas."  Again I copied this from Rober the Bruce by
>Ronald
>McNair Scott.
>The author gives references on the above.
>    ====
>Now this presents some more questions to me.
>(1) One of you said that our William's brother John was one of the
>knights.         NOTE: JOHN
>The only one that could be is the "unnamed knight".  But author R. 
>Scott
>
>did
>not find his name in the research that he did.  It is strange that 
>the
>two
>brothers' names were not linked together as  the Logans were listed, 
>if
>indeed, John was the "unnamed" knight.  I checked Pete Cummings book 
>on
>the
>Sinclairs but did not see that he listed the siblings of Sir William.
>Does
>anyone have that info?
> (2)   It looks to me from the above story, that these knights 
>stopped
>in
>Spain before any Moorish threat took place.  But since there were
>knights
>from many foreign countries there, it was an ongoing seige of some
>sorts.
>But this story doesn't come right out and say that King Alfonso's
>invitation
>was the reason they were there??? Were they there on Templar 
>business.
>The
>money spent so freely in Flanders could have been Templar money.  And
>why
>Sluys Flanders?
> (3)   I have understood that one of the reasons that Robert's 
>exploits
>were
>so famous and lauded is because he represented this little backward
>country
>with a tiny army that was able to defeat the great enemy of so many
>countries who had not been too successful against England.  He gave 
>them
>
>courage
>and a vision for defeating their mutual enemy.  So it seems strange 
>to
>me
>that we hear of English knights who were eager to honor Bruce.
>    Many of the Templars, I understand, were honor-seeking, landless,
>younger sons of the aristocracy.  Surely most of their fathers were
>supporters of King Edward III.  Wonder what all the politics were
>between
>the lines there.  Or did they represent a generation of rebels or 
>once
>you
>became a Templar you gave up your alegience to your country.  But
>according
>to the Bannockburn, newsletter of Bruces', Robert was not only a 
>Templar
>
>himself but also Soverign Grand Master of both the Military Order and
>the
>Masonic Guild."  Which brings up another question.  Was there already 
>a
>Masonic Guild in 1330 or have the Bannockburn editors jumped the gun?
>The
>answer is usually a mixture of all the above plus surprising things I
>don't
>know yet.
>
> (4)   But one of my biggest questions is:  Why hadn't the Templars 
>or
>returning Crusaders discussed this tactic of the Saracens with the
>Scotts?
>Surely this is one of the stupidest events of history for  these 
>knights
>to
>fall into the trap of the Saracens. I couldn't believe it when I read 
>it
>
>years ago.   I know the knights  had been trained with the "?" 
>attitude.
>
>(can't remember the term -like Kamakazes )  but that tactic never 
>worked
>at
>any time during any of the Crusades why would it work now.  STUPID!!
>    I can't see how we can make heroes out of these men who lost 
>sight
>of
>their main goal of the trip to go off chasing the Moors in this
>fruitless
>manner.  I suppose there might be another side to this but it just 
>seems
>so
>sad that Men's vain sense of HONOR can destroy so much.  We see this 
>in
>the
>Road Rage of today.  This sense of honor that must not be trampled 
>but
>revenged.
>
>Boy, did I get worked up on that one.  Sorry.
>Laurel
>****************
>
>Subject:
>          Re: Another John Sinclair
>     Date:
>          Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:18:07 -0700
>     From:
>          "Matheson" <zoo@uswest.net>
>
>Looking for information regarding John D. Sinclair, born 1844 in 
>Chatham
>or Moore County, North Carolina. Served in NC Troops (Infantry) 
>during
>Civil War.  Married Jennett (?) about 1866 and had daughters Edda 
>Lorena
>and Catherine L.  Not found after 1870.  Please contact me if you 
>have
>any information.
>
>***************
>*****************
>*******************
>END
>
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