Fw: Catherine and Hughes de Payens

["Jean Grigsby" <jgrigsby@bcni.net>]

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jean Grigsby <jgrigsby@bcni.net>
To: <sinclair@zilker.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Catherine and Hughes de Payens


>I am very behind in reading the emails.  I was so glad to see this one for
a
>movie company had contacted me wanting documentation on this marriage also.
>I have never found any documentation but would appreciate knowing if it is
>ever found so I can pass it on.
>Jean
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John Duguid <John.Duguid@snl.co.uk>
>To: owner-sinclair <owner-sinclair@zilker.net>; sinclair
><sinclair@zilker.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 12:37 AM
>Subject: Re: Catherine and Hughes de Payens
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>>Someone was looking for confirmation of Catherine St. Clair's marriage to
>>Hughes.  On page 22 of Pete's Sinclair Symposium Narratives, it says, "The
>>first Grand Master was Hughes de Payens, and he was married to Catherine
>St.
>>Clair of Normandy.  They visited Rosslyn during one winter season, hosted
>by
>>tgheir distant cousin, Henry St. Clair."   If the source document that
>tells
>>about this visit could be sited, that might help this someone out.
>>    Many of our line of St. Clairs were called "sir"  doesn't that title
>given
>>so early in history mean that they were Templars?  And they got married.
>Laurel
>>Portland, OR
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>>The someone searching for information on this topic was me. This is the
>>standard story trotted out about Catherine Sinclair but I have yet  to
find
>>contemporary evidence of the existance of Catherine sinclair far less her
>>marraige to Hugh de Payn. The Sir by no means indicates a connection to
the
>>knights Templar. I have even been told by a medieval scholar that the
>Sinclairs
>>were originally vassals in Normandy rather than powerful landowners, I am
>still
>>waiting the charter references which will proove this statement.
>>
>>So if anyone can help I am interested in evidence for the existance of
>>Catharine Sinclair, her marraige to Hugh de Payn and the Sinclair links to
>the
>>knights templar.
>>
>>John Duguid
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